Daredevil Darling 2023 (Deck Update)

Here we go again!

spicy. can you update your minh deck too?

Do you still upgrade your Backpacks with all the new cards? I haven't found the space for the new cards in my builds.

So, having played Advanced Wendy twice, I don't get why you you wouldn't take Easy Mark for the infinite money. Friends in low places to look for Daredevil is the quickest way to kickstart the deck, in case you didn't successfully mulligan for it. Once you have the infinite money, Money Talks, Alter Fate and Counter Espionage becomes enough to lock down the entire mythos deck, and let your allies succeed on every test.

@MagicalSturd I could, but I've linked my newer Minh builds in the description of that decklist. Do people look at that?

@Lola Hayes I don't upgrade Backpacks anymore. With Salvage, there are basically 5 copies of Amulet, and Friends in Low Places helps you shift your deck around enough that you can use it to tutor Amulet-relevant cards as well.

@tokeeto Yeah, I've addressed this in my original deck post, which is that the Daredevil engine is a toolbox for any sort of event shenanigans you want to do with Wendy. The Easy Mark loop was already established at the point I posted that deck, and this is more of an evaluation on what the TSK set did for the deck. You're free to play Easy Mark as the engine of this deck instead.

Can confirm I'm getting carried on my tests by this deck

Neat deck.

Old Shotgun? Great with Salvage, and gets you the 5 color.

Never mind, you need the hand for telescope.

@camipco I have played Old Shotgun in this Wendy build for funsies before. XD

You can still go for the Prophetic if you want full synergy, but since we don't even run Strength in Numbers or Call for Backup, it seems like more work than not to fill out all 5 classes.

You can always ask a teammate to throw down a Solemn Vow into your play area :P

@Snilly xD

Thanks for the shoutout :D

Indeed once you go for the framework, you can add any kind of shenanigans to it. I'd personally like me some Lucky (3) and Money Talks (2) upgrades so your whole team only ever fails skill tests on the autofail and even that can be mitigated with a nice Third Time's a Charm... Yeah, absurdly powerful infinite combo, which is something you really have to enjoy going for...

@Cuherdir hehe! i didn't forget ya. My original decklist plays those cards as the upgrades. I wanted to keep this decklist's xp a little more midtier. The reach of effectiveness of Money talks (2) along with Lucky (3) as well as their card draw are cores for the deck. They are in the side deck as upgrade options.

Scrounge + Daredevil can use 1 more combo piece to go infinite - a fast draw. The easiest choice is Tempt Fate. This is because you also need an action to take a test to put the pieces back in your discard. So starting with everything in your discard:

Swift Reflects x2 = -4 resources, +2 actions Cheat the System x2 = +4 resources Scrounge for Supplies on Daredevil = +4 resources, +1 actions Take a test, committing Daredevil = +4 resources, 0 actions, everything back to discard, repeat.

This lets you take infinite tests and get infinite resources, but unless you have some way to profit from infinite tests, you get stuck. However, add:

Swift Reflects x2 = -4 resources, +2 actions Cheat the System x2 = +4 resources, +2 actions Scrounge for Supplies on Daredevil = +4 resources, +1 actions Take a test, committing Daredevil = +4 resources, 0 actions, everything back to discard.

Swift Reflects x2 = -4 resources, +2 actions Cheat the System x2 = +4 resources, +2 actions Tempt Fate = +4 resources, draw Fast Reflexes (which is top of the deck), +2 actions Fast Reflexes = +2 resources, +3 actions Scrounge for Supplies on Daredevil = +4 resources, +2 actions Take a test, committing Daredevil = +4 resources, +1 actions, everything back to discard, repeat.

Of course, now you aren't playing a game any more.

@camipco That's a good idea. The obvious limitation is the Tempt Fate maxes out at 10 cursed tokens (really 3, if you didn't remove any.) The draw 1 is followed in a conditional then to adding the curses in.

I'd like to improve your idea by adding like 2 copies of Third Time's a Charm to try to fish for as many curses out on one of those big Money Talks tests, just so you don't cap yourself out after 3 Tempt Fates.

In that case you can probably mix in a Harmony Restored (2) every 3 loops right? The "draw 1" effect on Tempt Fate should be able to fire whether you can add the Blesses or not, so it's just a matter of getting rid of the curses while still maintaining a net action gain.
Add in Will to Survive (3) to avoid drawing the autofail or any blesses so that you can always remove all curses with Harmony Restored. 5 more XP to go infinite seems quite reasonable.

@koaexe great idea! I'll have to try it sometime

Excellent. I did not realize the card draw was conditional on successfully adding the curses. Great suggestion for Harmony Restored (2) to fix it.

As this deck has access to infinite resources through either:

1. Easy Mark loop
2. Scrounge + Daredevil loop

A potential means of going infinite would be to then, with an empty deck (ex. Just after a Scrounge + Daredevil loop)

1. Play 2x Swift Reflexes from the discard pile (net +2 actions, -4 resources)
2. Take any skill test, committing 2x Money Talks (2) from the discard pile, drawing both Swift Reflexes (net +1 action).
3. Play 2x Swift Reflexes from the hand (net +3 actions) Optional- 4. Play 2x Cheat the System from the discard pile
4. Scrounge + Daredevil from the discard pile (net +2 actions)
5. Take any skill test, committing Daredevil from the hand (net +1 action)

Ending with +1 in action economy, -4/-8 resources, and an empty deck to restart the loop. Thus, going infinite. And with Will to Survive (3), true infinite (provided none of these pieces were eaten by A&A of course).

It doesn't really matter that each loop costs 4 or 8 resources if you've generated over a thousand(s) to start (and could restart the money printer whenever desired). The 2x Cheat the System could be omitted for that reason to save time that would be spent putting it back under your deck and into the discard pile each time.

A Will to Survive (3) would also be excellent to play at any point of this so as to deal with any tokens that could add doom or disrupt the combo in any way.

My reasoning from 2x Money Talks (2) drawing 2 cards comes from liwl0115's inquiry to FFG about Money Talks (2)'s interaction with Double, Double.

As I was brainstorming all of that, I somehow forgot that each Cheat the System would generate 4 resources, for a total of 8 resources. Thus, the loop would be net 0 resources and so it doesn't even set you back any once you get rolling.

@gByakko Did you see my deck arkhamdb.com which focuses on this loop?

I saw your "No fun at all" Wendy deck and read the write up regarding Tempt Fate/Harmony Restored and the combo sequence for that, but completely missed the line about using Money Talks (2) to bypass step 6 of your sequence.

That's probably the more optimal combo. It only takes 2 xp (1x Harmony Restored) compared to 4xp (2x Money Talks (2)). It does take up more space, but 2x Tempt Fate can help cycle through cards as well.

If anything, a deck could run both infinite packages in case the player gets really unlucky and Abandoned & Alone eats stuff.

So I have to admit all this talk of milling the deck is a little confusing to me. Wouldn't abandoned and alone just eat your deck if you just cycle your deck for daredevil again? How would you make sure nothing is in your discard every time you loop?

@tomcool You don't ever cycle your whole deck. Daredevil only reshuffles the weaknesses discarded by it's own effect. So on your first Daredevil, typically it does hit all your weaknesses and so you end up with a deck consisting only of weaknesses. But then you use Yaotl to put those weaknesses in your discard, After that, when you play events Wendy's Amulet's Forced ability puts them on the "bottom" of your deck, meaning your deck consists only of the events you have played. You then use Daredevil, which puts your events back in the discard, but the Weaknesses were already in the discard, so they don't get discarded by Daredevil and therefore never go back into the deck. You do have to be a little careful you don't ever draw from your empty deck and therefore reshuffle everything, but you can normally easily avoid that by playing Cheat the System. Hope that makes sense!

@camipco If i understand correctly, a) You'd need to have Yoatl and have none of the daredevils in your deck? b) then you commit daredevil which discards everything but your weaknesses c) use yoatl to discard one of the weaknesses d) play an event to get a card at bottom of your deck e) use it again in enemy phase to discard second weakness? f) profit?

@tomcool The only Rogue Skills in this deck are 2 copies of Daredevil. Even if there is another Daredevil in the deck, your first Daredevil will find and commit the second copy, triggering the milling effect all over again. Of course the second Daredevil will whiff but you are only milling your deck so it doesn't matter.

For a), you also need to have Wendy's Amulet in play or a way to grab it from the discard (a Salvage in hand or a Resourceful with which you can grab Salvage from the discard. Scrounge won't work because Signatures have no level). You don't actually need Yaotl at that point because you can just Amulet + A Chance Encounter (2) him into play. Everything else is correct.

@tomcool Close. As the poster above said, you do need Wendy's Amulet or Salvage, and it doesn't matter where the 2nd copy of Daredevil is. You don't actually need Yaotl in play, because you can use the Amulet to A Chance Encounter Him from the discard after Daredevil puts everything there, including Yaotl and Chance Encounter.

Fwiw, I prefer Chance Encounter (0) because you only need Yaotl for 1 turn and it's cheaper on resources.

@koaexe``@camipco Thanks for the help

We immediately homeruled [[Swift Reflexes]] and [[Friends in Low Places]] as once/round (per player)

To be fair it's more an Advanced Wendy's Amulet problem. Regular Amulet can pull a bunch of shenanigans off too, but never to this degree because you have to manage the order of your discard and the events that are OP if played repeatedly get tabooed to be RFGed anyway (A Watchful Peace and Eucatastrophe).

Swift Reflexes is just a one time use of Skids' ability, which afaik is rather mediocre to begin with. The problem is Advanced Amulet allows you to basically play it infinite times with very little setup needed (compare a recent Trish deck that needs you to play like 15 assets and have very specific cards in your deck before going infinite) thanks to Daredevil. Friends is a great tutor but again, it won't break the game unless you specifically go out of your way to do so.

I also homeruled [Swift Reflexes] as "Max once per round" to be in line with similar cards (Quick Thinking and Honed Instinct). I think it's the weakest variant of these sorts of cards, but having no limit per round opens it to being broken at some point (as this comment thread has shown). This deck is still incredibly powerful with that change, but at least 1 infinite loop is closed.

I noticed that while it is mentioned, Predator or Prey isn’t actually in the deck. What card(s) would be subbed out for it?

@SmokedRWA It's in the 3xp starter deck, arkhamdb.com I'm not sure exactly what replaces it, but you could probably get away with cutting 1 Salvage or 1 Money Talks. Although really, once you have the shell, lots of arrangements of events can work.

The latest taboo list has destroyed this deck. Daredevil now causes you to draw any weaknesses it hits instead of shuffling them, so the Yaotl trick doesn't work and you just run headfirst into Abandoned and Alone.

I noticed that the assets with damage and horror are not readily disposable for use as soak.

Have you considered one-of healing event, maybe Call for Backup? Or an efficient asset like Earthly Serenity, which can be recurred via Resourceful?

@An_Undecayed_Whately With Wendy's good defensive stats, I didn't find damage/horror to be much of an issue when I ran the deck (prior to the latest taboo), but Call for Backup was solid. Healed any chip that I did take, healed teammates, and got me a testless clue.

@camipco I don't think it's destroyed in any way. It's just closer to being fair. It's not - but it's closer to being.

Short Supply, Yaotl and Friends will still dig through this deck overwhelmingly quick, and as soon as Abandoned and Alone hits the discard pile (which could easily be in setup), you can play Daredevil.

If you want to play safe, Short supply gives you a 10/28 (35.7%) chance of getting rid of AaA at the start of the game. Yaotl, if played first turn, discards 5/6 cards, giving you 3 "random" draws before you're through the entire deck. If you can play a single Friends at the right time, you're down to, I think, single card position that needs to be AaA to give you any trouble. That's a 1 in 28 risk. So in 27/28 games, you'll be ready to go within the first 3 turns.

Oh, and it's almost impossible for Short Supply to kill the deck. You can replay anything, as long as you can get the amulet. Stuff that needs to be removed to kill the entire deck: Amulet, Yaotl, Scrounge, Salvage, Chance Encounter, Resourceful (and True Survivor, if you run that), that's 12-13 cards, if you want to build a safe version of this. But that's assuming you draw just about the worst hand possible - I mean, not a lot of guardians work either, if all of their 6 weapons are in the bottom 6 cards.

You can also run a Crystalized Skull (and Katja, if you can find the xp for charisma) to stash some of your cards until you're rid of AaA.