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Lolfinity | 30K Series Takeover! | Deck Guide | 47 | 30 | 20 | 1.0 |
Expert Minhfinite|30k Series|Deck Guide | 0 | 0 | 2 | 1.0 |
Rex Errant: Jailbreaking the Necronomicon | 57 | 44 | 4 | 1.0 |
Expert Minhfinite|30k Series|Deck Guide SEBASTIAN LAST SCENA | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 |
Expert Minhfinite|30k Series|Deck Guide SEBASTIAN LAST SCENA | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2.0 |
Valentin1331 · 65070
The unassuming Assistant finds a Grim Memoir and through its Knowledge, gains infinite Power.
Credit: Andreia Ugrai
Many of us were baffled when playing high-draw decks for the first time, occasionally enjoying this guilty pleasure with Amanda. Yet, one thing that Amanda didn't necessarily have was infinites in:
- Clues
- Fight, including Aloof enemies, skipping engage actions
- Move
- Healing
So let's see how Minh takes over the title of the most bonkers investigator from Amanda.
Disclaimer
: This deck has the capacity to tear apart the fabric of ~~ Silas's Shirt~~ - reality... This is better played true solo because its sheer power can make anyone at your table feel like they came to The Minh Show.
In multiplayer, you can limit yourself or, better, self-tabooing Knowledge is Power as a non-fast event. The latter will make it a very good deck, just a bit more... balanced. If doing so, you can add a Scavenging (2) to cycle the Grim Memoir and keep your Knowledge is Power for fighting and healing.
After the 20k Series and its success, this 30k Series will focus on the investigators that are much harder to solve. Expect some jank, some outside-of-the-box thinking and hopefully some love for the underdogs of this game.
Click here to see all the previous decks. I will keep releasing a new standalone-ready deck concept every week on Friday, so stay tuned and keep pressing the ♥
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Overview
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Main Strategy
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Knowledge is the most powerful weapon against the Mythos
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The rest of the game
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Other Cards
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Upgrade Path
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Postscriptum - Taboo Suggestion
Difficulty: | ★★☆☆☆ |
Enemy Management: | ★★★★★ |
Clue-getting: | ★★★★★★ |
Encounter protection: | ★★★★★ |
Survivability: | ★★★★★ |
Economy: | ★★★★☆ |
Card Drawing: | ★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★ |
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Use Knowledge is Power on Grim Memoir, Enchanted Bow and Earthly Serenity to get fast clues, damage and healing.
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Use the tests to commit Perception (2), Unrelenting, Eureka! and play Cryptic Research to cycle your deck and access more Knowledge, more Power, also find Shortcut to move around.
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Commit Analysis to be like Wendy and reroll any token that wouldn't lead you to success. This, along with the number of icons that can be committed and Minh 's ability, make this deck expert-proof.
Clues:
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Use Knowledge is Power on Grim Memoir, committing Unrelenting and Perception (2) to cycle your deck.
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Use Analysis during the test to drop a clue and reroll any inconvenient token, such as the -8 or .
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This means dropping a few clues occasionally, but that also means as long as you have clues to drop, you are sure to succeed, even in Expert.
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As Analysis was my appointed card during the TSK Preview season organised by @Veronica, I am thrilled not only to find a home for it but actually have it as a cornerstone of such a powerhouse deck.
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Commit Eureka! for a cantrip that searches your deck. This is especially good when you just played your Knowledge is Power, and your other copy is in your deck among 3 other cards. Eureka! will allow you to keep going, greatly mitigating the risks of breaking the loop because of the lack of draw.
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Commit Deduction for acceleration (otherwise, it takes a loooong time to collect the clues one by one).
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Practice Makes Perfect helps if you haven't found Perception (2) or Unrelenting to maintain the loop, or Analysis to make your test failproof.
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Cryptic Writings pay for Practice Makes Perfect.
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Fight:
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Use Knowledge is Power on Enchanted Bow to kill enemies at your location or a connecting location, also skipping any need to engage Aloof enemies. Retaliate is usually not an issue because Analysis has your back.
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Using Mind over Matter, we can use our instead of , therefore committing Perception (2) to the fight actions, maintaining the cycle loop.
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Note that upgrading to Mind over Matter (2) will prevent us from committing Perception (2) to non- tests, and so it's a detrimental upgrade in this case.
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As mentioned, Analysis prevents bad tokens.
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Absorb the horror:
- Knowledge is Power also works on Earthly Serenity to trigger a fast healing and gain back the horror from cycling your deck. With Unrelenting x2, Eureka! x2 and Analysis, you are testing at 9 , and you can reroll any token that would give you the maximum healing.
Move:
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If you need to move further than 2 locations away, you can investigate (even on an empty location) to trigger a deck cycle and find your Shortcuts again.
Scenario Tests and triggers:
These are the only ones that will spend your actions.
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Because of Perception (2) and Mind over Matter, anything that is not a test is easy to pass and will maintain the loop for the following test.
- If doing a scenario action that involves a test, you can initiate the loop during this test, which would be your last chance to do one during your turn.
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For tests, Minh benefits from her great base stat, and we can use Analytical Mind, Eureka!, Unrelenting to go to high values and Analysis as our failproof tech.
Set up:
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In theory, having your deck fully ready to go wild doesn't take more than one cycle. In practice, because of the commits to pass early tests, you'll decrease the number of cards in your discard pile progressively over 2-3 cycles before you can really start.
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Because the faster you go through your deck at the beginning, the faster you'll start rolling, you should mulligan out any card that doesn't give you draw. That means priority to: Grim Memoir, Cryptic Research, Practice Makes Perfect and Perception (2).
- We do not keep Unrelenting, at least in Expert, because the tokens in Expert do not meet the criteria to trigger the draw unless is added. So we depend on Keep Faith.
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Since Knowledge is Power targets assets from your hand, you don't need to play Enchanted Bow and Earthly Serenity, saving resources and play actions.
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You only need to play Grim Memoir, Dream-Enhancing Serum, Laboratory Assistant, and potentially Scroll of Secrets.
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The King in Yellow stays in play once you are set up. You can target the Grim Memoir/Scroll of Secrets from your hand so the hand slots become useless, and with Perception, Unrelenting, Analysis, Eureka!, you can commit 3 Skills to every test anyways.
- Since are optional, you may choose to leave The King in Yellow in play, even if you meet the requirements to discard it, which prevents it from turning into a dead draw with every cycle.
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Try to keep your early Knowledge is Power to target Enchanted Bow on early enemies. If you can't, you can use Mind over Matter to evade or Existential Riddle to Aloof an enemy.
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Existential Riddle is mostly here if you get an enemy as your Random Basic Weakness. Making it aloof prevents it from cycling with your deck every time you kill it.
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If you use Existential Riddle on an early enemy that you couldn't kill yet, you can still deal with it afterwards with the Enchanted Bow without needing to engage and gain the riddle back during your next cycle to slap it on another enemy (including a weakness).
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Analytical Mind is useless since The King in Yellow will force us to commit 3 cards. We, therefore, store it in our hand and use it when we need the .
As a rule of thumb, the fewer cards you use during your first cycle, the faster you'll be ready to loop. The encounter cards you will draw will determine how many cards you will need to commit.
Overall, it's worth being a bit slower, taking damage/horror early, and even if it means power drawing during your first 2 turns, it is all worth it since you'll then be unstoppable later.
The heavy-drawing mechanic can be heavily affected based on the weaknesses that you pull. Here are some leads on how likely it is to happen if using this deck and how to mitigate most of the unfortunate weaknesses:
RBWs that threaten the loop and ways to mitigate them:
Standalone Mode: Breaking the loop: 2/37 - Impacting the gameplay: 6/37
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Narcolepsy: Complete blocker. You lose all your remaining actions every time you cycle. It's unlikely that you will keep this one, though, as you probably won't play this deck in full intensity in multiplayer.
- A fun interaction would be that if you draw Narcolepsy while drawing multiple cards at the same time, and this causes your deck to shuffle, the horror from the shuffling will kick out Narcolepsy.
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Through the Gates: Complete blocker. You lose more and more key cards with every deck cycle.
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Amnesia - You could try to keep Cryptic Research in your hand. You will lose the infinite loop but still win the game because of how fast you draw.
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Dread Curse: Add Fey and commit 2 to each test to mitigate the weakness significantly.
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Overzealous: It can be challenging. Pack 2 Forewarned, and since you heal with Earthly Serenity, you should be fine.
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Enemies: Existential Riddle disables them, so you can leave them on the table and forget about them.
Campaign Mode only: Breaking the loop: 3/43 - Impacting the gameplay: 8/43
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Doomed: if you draw this one, just die on the first scenario and enjoy another investigator.
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Offer You Cannot Refuse: Pack 2 Crack the Case and upgrade Cryptic Writings (2) asap to increase your income and afford the 5 resources.
Conclusion:
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Campaign mode: 16% chance of having a detrimental weakness and 13% chance of having one of the 3 weaknesses that will kill the deck's mechanic.
- If you get Doomed, better cycle fast and kill Minh Thi Phan, starting again with another Investigator scenario 2. If you get Through the Gates or Narcolepsy, you can shift the upgrade path to decrease the draw and prioritise action compression, with Deduction (2), Sharp Vision, etc...
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Standalone Mode: 25% chance of having a detrimental weakness and 10% chance of having one of the 2 weaknesses that will kill the deck's mechanic, 5% if you are going true solo.
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Scroll of Secrets is a good set-up card that basically reads: 1-cost, 1-action, draw 3 and discard any weakness that is drawn. It will be pushed away by The King in Yellow
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Once the combo is fully running, it is nice to have the Scroll of Secrets on the table as our second hand slot, alongside The King in Yellow, so in case we are short on our loop, we can use the trigger to get a chance to fuel the engine again. We can keep the Grim Memoirs in hand as Knowledge is Power targets it there.
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This becomes much more powerful if we upgrade it to the Scroll of Secrets (3) to increase set-up, prevent disruption in the loop, and cancel early weaknesses that would be revealed.
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Dream-Enhancing Serum is your main big-hand enabler. It also gives an interesting card draw during the set-up.
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Laboratory Assistant is your second big and enabler. What we are trying the most to avoid with these 2 is to have to discard cards when your turn ends, which will clog our discard pile and slow down our cycle loop.
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We use Keep Faith to bring tokens in the deck to enable the seal mechanism of Unrelenting. If you are playing in Multiplayer, I am sure that your team is also going to love 10 constant in the bag.
- We could have used Tempt Fate, which is cheaper and a cantrip, but adding to the bag can break our loop by making it impossible to succeed in certain tests, even when committing Analysis. So we instead choose Keep Faith.
Disclaimer
: This decklist is published in the version that I tested. The upgrade path is just one possible way to upgrade while maintaining the best experience and value of the deck. As these decks are made to be universally good, feel free to adapt them to your campaign and change the upgrade order around based on your experience.
Cost | Total | ||||
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In the Thick of It | → | Unrelenting • | 1 XP | 1 XP | |
In the Thick of It | → | Unrelenting • | 1 XP | 2 XP | |
In the Thick of It | → | Existential Riddle • | 1 XP | 3 XP | |
Core Upgrades | 3 XP | ||||
Perception | → | Perception •• | 2 XP | 5 XP | |
Perception | → | Perception •• | 2 XP | 7 XP | |
Deep Knowledge | → | Cryptic Research •••• | 4 XP | 11 XP | |
Deep Knowledge | → | Cryptic Research •••• | 4 XP | 15 XP | |
Mind over Matter | → | Knowledge is Power •• | 2 XP | 17 XP | |
Keep Faith | → | Knowledge is Power •• | 2 XP | 19 XP | |
Occult Invocation | → | Earthly Serenity • | 1 XP | 20 XP | |
Occult Invocation | → | Enchanted Bow •• | 2 XP | 22 XP | |
Luxury Upgrades | 22 XP | ||||
→ | Studious ••• | 3 XP | 25 XP | ||
→ | Studious ••• | 3 XP | 28 XP | ||
Scroll of Secrets | → | Scroll of Secrets ••• | 3 XP | 31 XP | |
Deduction | → | Deduction •• | 2 XP | 33 XP | |
Deduction | → | Deduction •• | 2 XP | 35 XP | |
Cryptic Writings | → | Cryptic Writings •• | 2 XP | 37 XP | |
Cryptic Writings | → | Cryptic Writings •• | 2 XP | 39 XP | |
→ | Higher Education ••• ••• | 6 XP | 45 XP |
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As a suggestion to "turn off" such an infinite loop, I would recommend unchaining Knowledge is Power but removing the fast aspect.
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And now we're here, making Unrelenting's trait Innate instead of Practiced would solve most of Amanda's case, while being thematic with Silas.
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22 comments |
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May 26, 2023 |
May 26, 2023Wow, looks disgsting. I love it. |
May 26, 2023Really, really cool - nice work! It's looks like a great, creative route into strong + easy card draw and action economy! |
May 26, 2023After you brought up this deck concept in the mythos buster discord, I am happy to see the full guide. I enjoyed the write-up. |
May 26, 2023Regarding ways to make this deck fair, one idea I've been experimenting with is harsher punishments for cycling your deck. Namely, taking an idea from the Marvel Champions card game and making it a case of, whenever you would draw from an empty deck, you shuffle your discard pile into your deck, then draw, but also put the top card of the encounter deck face-down in front of you and draw it during the next mythos phase. Do you think something like this would be worth exploring for Arkham? |
May 26, 2023
I have to say that I do not necessarily think that deck cycling is a bad thing in itself, it’s a fun archetype, the problem lies more in the fact that the class that does it the best () also turns out to be the class that has access to infinite action-less benefits like Cryptic Writings, Shortcut, Working a Hunch, and of course the most problematic being Knowledge is Power. |
May 27, 2023Though Knowledge is Power has been super broken since its inception... The more I tinker with this deck the more I want to say that Cryptic Research is truly problematic, because it gives multiple cards as a fast action. |
May 27, 2023But honestly, the mere fact that you can chain together fast effects with no hard limit is just a problem! |
May 27, 2023I thought about it, and I don’t think Cryptic Research is a problem in itself, it is fairly priced in XP and usually isn’t that broken. But it can be a strong enabler, when put in a bundle of other drawing cards. One thing to note, is that at a certain point the deck goes infinite even without the need of Cryptic Research. Unrelenting and Perception (2) are enough to cycle, since 4 cards is all we need: these 2, Knowledge is Power and Analysis. |
May 27, 2023I'd recommend playing this deck once, in a standalone, for the giggles. Becomes boring very quickly. Make sure it's solo, as your table will never speak to you again if you make them watch for an hour without ever ending your turn. Really nice deck though, slim, optimized, and prepared for pretty much any eventuality. I was considering Feed the Mind (0) for a combo primer, since you can commit Perception (2) to that as well and gain some extra card draw, so it's easier to have your entire deck in your hand. Also Working a Hunch so you can avoid as much interaction with the chaos bag as possible when you're rolling. |
May 27, 2023I found a weird question here... How does Knowledge is Power interact with Earthly Serenity if Serenity is in your hand? Can you spend charges off of Serenity even though it's not on the table? |
May 27, 2023I believe this would behave the same as the Old Book of Lore interaction listed on Knowledge is Powers FAQ section, where you can null the cost of spending a secret. So you should be able to ignore the charge-spending and just get healing. |
May 27, 2023
Indeed that’s why I made a disclaimer right at the beginning. It can be fun in true solo just to try, and I didn’t try it myself yet, but I think that self tabooing Knowledge is Power to non fast if taking the deck to a multiplayer game would make it more acceptable, while keeping all the gun gimmicks. For Feed the Mind, I looked at it too but it’s just slower. The whole idea of the deck was really centred around the least possible actions needed, and as little cards that exhaust. That’s also why I didn’t take Abigail Foreman for instance: too slow. For Working a Hunch, the main issue is that it would require 2 more card draw to run in cycle: itself and Cryptic Writings to pay for it. It is a really strong strategy but in this case it’s just more of what we already have infinite of. Especially as Analysis already deals with the chaos bag for us. And for |
May 27, 2023
Obviously my version is a lot less stable when factoring in basic weaknesses, but yeah. If you draw the correct basic weakness (like 13th Vision or some such)... I think your version is cooler and more fun to play, and certainly self-tabooing KiP helps with the power level, but I think that's not quite enough, can't optimize this deck too much or it becomes Solitaire ;) |
May 27, 2023Weird, then would it follow that you could heal up more than four sanity or damage because you aren't capped by charges, since you're ignoring the existence of charges? That... Makes... No... Sense... |
May 14, 2024New player here, looking forward to trying out this deck! What would you recommend for trauma from in the thick of it and why? |
May 16, 2024Hey, If you are a new player, I would advise against using this decklist. I know; I published it myself, but this deck goes infinite, which means that it breaks the game design. As a new player, you are here for the fun, and this will tremendously decrease one of the core elements that make the game fun: tension. You wouldn't want to spoil one of your best experiences in this game: a blind playthrough. In other words, this deck is (purposely) too strong. Please look at If you want help choosing another decklist, I can help direct you to a more adapted one. Are you going to play true solo or with one or more people? |
May 16, 2024
Played the first three scenarios so far and it was pretty hard (we failed the second and third ones). I haven't been able to go infinite, not even close, probably because I have no idea how to be optimal with card draws, but I am having a blast so far with all the draw power. I feel like the strength of the deck is balanced by my lack of experience with the game :). |
May 16, 2024
Sorry for not answering earlier. With In the Thick of It, I usually try to balance health and sanity, so I recommend going for one of each. If, at one point, it goes too wild, I recommend checking the latest taboo on Knowledge is Power and if it's not enough, self-tabooing the way I recommended by making Knowledge is Power not fast. Have fun with the deck, and thanks for picking one of my decklists! |
May 17, 2024Awesome! Also how does Knowledge is Power work with Earthly Serenity and Grim Memoir? I cannot spend charges on it to pay for the cost, right? So how does this interaction work? |
May 17, 2024
I hope this clarifies! If not, here is the official ruling: Some cards like Knowledge is Power or Word of Woe allow an investigator to play a card or activate an ability on an asset, "ignoring all costs." These effects only ignore the costs of initiating an ability. They do not ignore additional costs that must be paid when resolving that ability — in other words, anything "before the colon" is ignored, but any additional costs "after the colon" must be paid as normal. For example, if an investigator uses Knowledge is Power to activate the ability on Old Book of Lore, Knowledge is Power allows you to ignore the action cost and exhausting of Old Book of Lore to activate its ability and search your deck for a card, but does not waive the additional cost to spend a secret to play that card. Likewise, playing Word of Woe waives the action cost to activate the ability on Earthly Serenity, but does not waive the cost to spend charges to heal an investigator at your location. |
May 17, 2024
Thanks for all the feedback :) |
It sounds like fast draw is inherently problematic. I love the theme of this decklist!